From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Mon Feb 2 22:12:20 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Tue Feb 3 10:08:42 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] fate of the NY Times References: <008401c982fa$14820530$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> <8f06c7810901300928r96b47e8r88781f7964397c1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e001c985ad$39eb7b20$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> Thanks for sharing, Keri! ----- Original Message ----- From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] fate of the NY Times Murphy, I agree that this was a very interesting article. Here is another one for the alumni... http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/politicsnorthwest/2009/01/28/seattle_city_council_examines.html Keri Sprenger On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM, wrote: In case you missed this article in The Atlantic, this is very, very interesting reading here on the future of the New York Times and the whole profession: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200901/new-york-times Shawn W. Murphy Associate Professor of Journalism Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points Chair, Department of Journalism Co-Director, Center for Communication and Journalism 103-A Yokum Hall SUNY Plattsburgh 101 Broad St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-564-2422, phone 518-564-2105, fax shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu _______________________________________________ Journalism-alumni mailing list Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Journalism-alumni mailing list Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Murphy Associate Professor of Journalism Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points Chair, Department of Journalism Co-Director, Center for Communication and Journalism 103-A Yokum Hall SUNY Plattsburgh 101 Broad St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-564-2422, phone 518-564-2105, fax shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/pipermail/journalism-alumni/attachments/20090213/1637ffb5/attachment.htm From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Fri Feb 13 22:08:43 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Fri Feb 13 20:57:40 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] There is life after journalism afterall! Message-ID: More press for ex-DMN reporter who now runs a strip club: http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&aid=158474 Josh Lunt From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 14 12:32:34 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 14 14:21:26 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] Re: Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <20090213170006.A2DACA33E3@lists.plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <91478.88260.qm@web52308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wow! I must say that the CP's fire coverage blows away what the PR has. I first heard about the fire when I saw a blip on the news on Sunday and then went to the PR's Web site and they didn't have much beyond what TV had. On Tuesday, I looked at CP online and was impressed by the depth of reporting and was especially moved by the photo gallery. The images really hit home at how lives are disrupted by fire, esp. when students' lives are impacted. Keep up the good work! Melissa Hart, '01 Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. -- Bertolt Brecht --- On Fri, 2/13/09, journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu wrote: From: journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu Subject: Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 8:00 AM Send Journalism-alumni mailing list submissions to journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu You can reach the person managing the list at journalism-alumni-owner@lists.plattsburgh.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Journalism-alumni digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Cardinal Points online, first spring issue ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:16:24 -0500 From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: Subject: [jou-alumni] Cardinal Points online, first spring issue Message-ID: <006d01c98df6$6a524ea0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C98DCC.8177B2C0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Message: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C98DCC.8177B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI, the first spring issue of Cardinal Points is now live, found here: http://www.cardinalpointsonline.com/ For future reference, the online version goes live on Friday mornings = when the print version hits the newsstands. Shawn W. Murphy Associate Professor of Journalism Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points Chair, Department of Journalism Co-Director, Center for Communication and Journalism 103-A Yokum Hall SUNY Plattsburgh 101 Broad St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-564-2422, phone 518-564-2105, fax shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C98DCC.8177B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI, the first spring issue of Cardinal = Points is=20 now live, found here:
http://www.cardinalpointson= line.com/
 
For future reference, the online = version goes live=20 on Friday mornings when the print version hits the = newsstands.
 
 
 
 
Shawn W. Murphy
Associate Professor = of=20 Journalism
Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points
Chair, Department of = Journalism
Co-Director, Center for Communication and = Journalism
103-A=20 Yokum Hall
SUNY Plattsburgh
101 Broad St.
Plattsburgh, NY=20 12901
518-564-2422, phone
518-564-2105, fax
shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu=
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C98DCC.8177B2C0-- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Journalism-alumni mailing list Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni End of Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 ************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/pipermail/journalism-alumni/attachments/20090214/e300b4e9/attachment.htm From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Mon Feb 16 10:34:00 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Mon Feb 16 09:24:49 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] Re: Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 References: <91478.88260.qm@web52308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007701c9904b$fd874f20$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> Thanks for sharing the kind words, Melissa. I would agree. Actually, the Newsday reporter who called me last week said the same thing; they were surprised that CP got the info. it did so quickly. Hope everything is OK at the Free-Press with your job security. I read the recent Seven Days cover story that talked about the harder times in Burlington, like nationwide. Shawn Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: [jou-alumni] Re: Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 Wow! I must say that the CP's fire coverage blows away what the PR has. I first heard about the fire when I saw a blip on the news on Sunday and then went to the PR's Web site and they didn't have much beyond what TV had. On Tuesday, I looked at CP online and was impressed by the depth of reporting and was especially moved by the photo gallery. The images really hit home at how lives are disrupted by fire, esp. when students' lives are impacted. Keep up the good work! Melissa Hart, '01 Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. -- Bertolt Brecht --- On Fri, 2/13/09, journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu wrote: From: journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu Subject: Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 8:00 AM Send Journalism-alumni mailing list submissions to journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu You can reach the person managing the list at journalism-alumni-owner@lists.plattsburgh.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Journalism-alumni digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Cardinal Points online, first spring issue ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:16:24 -0500 From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: Subject: [jou-alumni] Cardinal Points online, first spring issue Message-ID: <006d01c98df6$6a524ea0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C98DCC.8177B2C0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Message: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C98DCC.8177B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI, the first spring issue of Cardinal Points is now live, found here: http://www.cardinalpointsonline.com/ For future reference, the online version goes live on Friday mornings = when the print version hits the newsstands. Shawn W. Murphy Associate Professor of Journalism Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points Chair, Department of Journalism Co-Director, Center for Communication and Journalism 103-A Yokum Hall SUNY Plattsburgh 101 Broad St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-564-2422, phone 518-564-2105, fax shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C98DCC.8177B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI, the first spring issue of Cardinal = Points is=20 now live, found here:
http://www.cardinalpointson= line.com/
 
For future reference, the online = version goes live=20 on Friday mornings when the print version hits the = newsstands.
 
 
 
 
Shawn W. Murphy
Associate Professor = of=20 Journalism
Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points
Chair, Department of = Journalism
Co-Director, Center for Communication and = Journalism
103-A=20 Yokum Hall
SUNY Plattsburgh
101 Broad St.
Plattsburgh, NY=20 12901
518-564-2422, phone
518-564-2105, fax
shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu=
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URL: http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/pipermail/journalism-alumni/attachments/20090216/40dc0553/attachment.htm From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Wed Feb 18 22:07:05 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Wed Feb 18 21:08:23 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sign of the times Message-ID: <2810.68.191.10.12.1235012825.squirrel@webmail.plattsburgh.edu> Newspapers sharing resources, following lead from TV stations nationwide... http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=771281&category=&BCCode= Shawn W. Murphy Associate Professor of Journalism Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points Chair, Department of Journalism Co-Director, Center for Communication and Journalism 103-A Yokum Hall SUNY Plattsburgh 101 Broad St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-564-2422, phone 518-564-2105, fax shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Fri Feb 27 15:16:27 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Fri Feb 27 17:04:09 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism Message-ID: <515294.88403.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Everyone should check out the video on the Rocky Mountain News' web site that chronicles the paper's last day. Very depressing and eerie. The paper found out Thursday that today would be its last day. I can't imagine what that must feel like. (Though the day might be coming for all of us still in the newspaper biz!) Here's a quote from the editor: "...it's like playing music at your own funeral. It's an opportunity to make really sweet sounds or blow it. I'd like to go out really proud." http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/26/rocky-mountain-news-closes-friday-final-edition/ -Melissa Hart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/pipermail/journalism-alumni/attachments/20090227/b2c85311/attachment.htm From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 11:03:59 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 12:51:36 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism In-Reply-To: <515294.88403.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <988938.72357.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Melissa: It's a sad day for the people who are losing their jobs and such, I'll agree with that. But, those on this list might remember that I've been saying that this was coming for a long time. The thing is, there is still a place in this world for strong investigative journalism. With so much TV news being aimed at the level of lobotomized chimps, I'm amazed that no one has been able to market "news for grown-ups" that is truly neutral in scope. Of course, the current print vehicles are largely handcuffed because they're all owned by huge conglomerates who are as incompetent and lacking in imagination as the leaders of the financial industry (and who often use their news outlets as a means of distributing their outlook rather than, you know, report the news). I mean, the internet is RIGHT THERE. Especially given the environmental concerns of our age, it's ridiculous that we're still killing forests to distribute news...I mean, what, were scrolls not available? *smirk* The entities who "win" and who survive are the ones who finally figure out how to utilize new technologies - Kindles, etc. Instead of mourning the latest newspaper to die out (this won't be the last, I assure you...there's more coming, and coming quick), the industry should be getting its best minds together to figure out how best to use the internet and electronic readers and all the other fancy stuff available these days. - Sean Swift Class of '00 --- On Fri, 2/27/09, journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu wrote: > From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism > To: "Journalism List" > Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:16 PM > Everyone should check out the video on the Rocky Mountain > News' web site that chronicles the paper's last day. > Very depressing and eerie. The paper found out Thursday that > today would be its last day. I can't imagine what that > must feel like. (Though the day might be coming for all of > us still in the newspaper biz!) Here's a quote from the > editor: > > "...it's like playing music at your own funeral. > It's an opportunity to > make really sweet sounds or blow it. I'd like to go out > really proud." > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/26/rocky-mountain-news-closes-friday-final-edition/ > > -Melissa Hart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 14:12:47 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 13:05:47 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism References: <988938.72357.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> For the record, Sean Swift predicted some time ago that this was coming. Also for the record, and to be fair, Sean Swift still holds the record for the longest sports columns in Cardinal Points' history. Not sure how many trees he alone is responsible for killing, but I'd guesstimate quite a few! Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism > > Melissa: > > It's a sad day for the people who are losing their jobs and such, I'll > agree with that. But, those on this list might remember that I've been > saying that this was coming for a long time. > > The thing is, there is still a place in this world for strong > investigative journalism. With so much TV news being aimed at the level of > lobotomized chimps, I'm amazed that no one has been able to market "news > for grown-ups" that is truly neutral in scope. > > Of course, the current print vehicles are largely handcuffed because > they're all owned by huge conglomerates who are as incompetent and lacking > in imagination as the leaders of the financial industry (and who often use > their news outlets as a means of distributing their outlook rather than, > you know, report the news). I mean, the internet is RIGHT THERE. > Especially given the environmental concerns of our age, it's ridiculous > that we're still killing forests to distribute news...I mean, what, were > scrolls not available? *smirk* The entities who "win" and who survive are > the ones who finally figure out how to utilize new technologies - Kindles, > etc. > > Instead of mourning the latest newspaper to die out (this won't be the > last, I assure you...there's more coming, and coming quick), the industry > should be getting its best minds together to figure out how best to use > the internet and electronic readers and all the other fancy stuff > available these days. > > - Sean Swift > Class of '00 > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/27/09, journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > wrote: > >> From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu >> >> Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism >> To: "Journalism List" >> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:16 PM >> Everyone should check out the video on the Rocky Mountain >> News' web site that chronicles the paper's last day. >> Very depressing and eerie. The paper found out Thursday that >> today would be its last day. I can't imagine what that >> must feel like. (Though the day might be coming for all of >> us still in the newspaper biz!) Here's a quote from the >> editor: >> >> "...it's like playing music at your own funeral. >> It's an opportunity to >> make really sweet sounds or blow it. I'd like to go out >> really proud." >> >> http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/26/rocky-mountain-news-closes-friday-final-edition/ >> >> -Melissa Hart >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Journalism-alumni mailing list >> Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu >> http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 12:19:05 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:06:42 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism In-Reply-To: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> Message-ID: <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a service (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the luckiest C- I ever got. - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with added snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from readers during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game (why would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). Example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would absolutely read it. Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. - Swift From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 20:13:59 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 19:01:36 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism In-Reply-To: <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> Swift speaks the truth. Per always. I'll also add that when I graduated nine years ago, I always assumed I would eventually wind up at a newspaper. Instead, due to various circumstances, I sort of backed into the Internet business, not even knowing HTML at the time (internet courses weren''t a required part of the English-Print Journalism major when I went to Plattsburgh). At first, I felt like I needed to work at a newspaper to validate that I was, in fact, doing something with my degree. But the longer I stayed at CBSSports.com, the more I noticed the flood of experienced newspaper writers, editors, etc. taking Internet jobs with our company and with our competitors. These were people with years of experience at very prominent broadsheets. Mike Coulter, if you're on this list, you can probably back me up on this. Eight years ago, there were times when I seriously second-guessed myself for not pursuing an entry-level newspaper job harder, and for sticking with the Internet instead. Today, I feel the opposite. I feel like I unwittingly got my foot in the door, ahead of what I expect will be a flood of very qualified former newspaper employees, who will just now be switching career paths. Don't get me wrong. The Internet hasn't been immune to the recession either. But as someone at our office recently put it, people are used to getting their information on the Internet now, and news generally hits the Internet very quickly. Newspapers, due to the turnaround time and the process involved in producing a daily, are essentially printing yesterday's news. And charging you to read it. The more people get used to super-fast news delivery on the Internet, the more ridiculous that business model sounds. Denny Burkholder '00 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, wrote: > > AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened > to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write > about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! > > That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and > there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a > paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a service > (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: > > - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our > financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the luckiest > C- I ever got. > > - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's > restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most > cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. > > - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear > themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is > crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in > England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called > "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with added > snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from readers > during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game (why > would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). > > Example: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live > > Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as > well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 > > If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would > absolutely read it. > > Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't > come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. > > - Swift > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/pipermail/journalism-alumni/attachments/20090228/0ef62020/attachment.htm From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 21:13:15 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 20:00:52 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism In-Reply-To: <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> References: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8549dc340902281813r686c6a63ga31f95df7a21b381@mail.gmail.com> For a wonderful explanation of the fine mess our economy finds itself in, check out http://haha.nu/interesting/the-credit-crisis-visualized/. Monica On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM, wrote: > Swift speaks the truth. Per always. > > I'll also add that when I graduated nine years ago, I always assumed I would > eventually wind up at a newspaper. Instead, due to various circumstances, I > sort of backed into the Internet business, not even knowing HTML at the time > (internet courses weren''t a required part of the English-Print Journalism > major when I went to Plattsburgh). At first, I felt like I needed to work at > a newspaper to validate that I was, in fact, doing something with my degree. > > But the longer I stayed at CBSSports.com, the more I noticed the flood of > experienced newspaper writers, editors, etc. taking Internet jobs with our > company and with our competitors. These were people with years of experience > at very prominent broadsheets. Mike Coulter, if you're on this list, you can > probably back me up on this. > > Eight years ago, there were times when I seriously second-guessed myself for > not pursuing an entry-level newspaper job harder, and for sticking with the > Internet instead. Today, I feel the opposite. I feel like I unwittingly got > my foot in the door, ahead of what I expect will be a flood of very > qualified former newspaper employees, who will just now be switching career > paths. > > Don't get me wrong. The Internet hasn't been immune to the recession either. > But as someone at our office recently put it, people are used to getting > their information on the Internet now, and news generally hits the Internet > very quickly. Newspapers, due to the turnaround time and the process > involved in producing a daily, are essentially printing yesterday's news. > And charging you to read it. The more people get used to super-fast news > delivery on the Internet, the more ridiculous that business model sounds. > > Denny Burkholder '00 > > > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > wrote: >> >> AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened >> to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write >> about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! >> >> That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and >> there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a >> paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a service >> (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: >> >> - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our >> financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the luckiest >> C- I ever got. >> >> - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's >> restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most >> cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. >> >> - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear >> themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is >> crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in >> England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called >> "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with added >> snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from readers >> during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game (why >> would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). >> >> Example: >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live >> >> Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as >> well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 >> >> If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would >> absolutely read it. >> >> Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't >> come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. >> >> - Swift >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Journalism-alumni mailing list >> Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu >> http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > > -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come - Matt Groening From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 18:27:17 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 21:17:14 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] Re: Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20090301010056.15568A33E3@lists.plattsburgh.edu> Message-ID: <170364.26517.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Believe me, Swift, i have also seen the "writing on the wall" regarding the demise of newspapers. You're not the only sooth-sayer on that one. I'm someone who has also embraced change in my career and, like Denny hve taught myself new media skills to stay in the game. But after watching the poignant tribute on the Rocky's web site, I'm not convinced that I should not feel sad. It hit close to home, pure and simple. A world without print media? Me no likey. -melissa Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. -- Bertolt Brecht --- On Sat, 2/28/09, journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu wrote: From: journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu Subject: Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8 To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 4:00 PM Send Journalism-alumni mailing list submissions to journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to journalism-alumni-request@lists.plattsburgh.edu You can reach the person managing the list at journalism-alumni-owner@lists.plattsburgh.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Journalism-alumni digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: sad day for journalism 2. Re: sad day for journalism 3. Re: sad day for journalism 4. Re: sad day for journalism 5. Re: sad day for journalism ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism Message-ID: <988938.72357.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <515294.88403.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Message: 1 Melissa: It's a sad day for the people who are losing their jobs and such, I'll agree with that. But, those on this list might remember that I've been saying that this was coming for a long time. The thing is, there is still a place in this world for strong investigative journalism. With so much TV news being aimed at the level of lobotomized chimps, I'm amazed that no one has been able to market "news for grown-ups" that is truly neutral in scope. Of course, the current print vehicles are largely handcuffed because they're all owned by huge conglomerates who are as incompetent and lacking in imagination as the leaders of the financial industry (and who often use their news outlets as a means of distributing their outlook rather than, you know, report the news). I mean, the internet is RIGHT THERE. Especially given the environmental concerns of our age, it's ridiculous that we're still killing forests to distribute news...I mean, what, were scrolls not available? *smirk* The entities who "win" and who survive are the ones who finally figure out how to utilize new technologies - Kindles, etc. Instead of mourning the latest newspaper to die out (this won't be the last, I assure you...there's more coming, and coming quick), the industry should be getting its best minds together to figure out how best to use the internet and electronic readers and all the other fancy stuff available these days. - Sean Swift Class of '00 --- On Fri, 2/27/09, journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu wrote: > From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism > To: "Journalism List" > Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:16 PM > Everyone should check out the video on the Rocky Mountain > News' web site that chronicles the paper's last day. > Very depressing and eerie. The paper found out Thursday that > today would be its last day. I can't imagine what that > must feel like. (Though the day might be coming for all of > us still in the newspaper biz!) Here's a quote from the > editor: > > "...it's like playing music at your own funeral. > It's an opportunity to > make really sweet sounds or blow it. I'd like to go out > really proud." > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/26/rocky-mountain-news-closes-friday-final-edition/ > > -Melissa Hart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:12:47 -0500 From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism Message-ID: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> References: <988938.72357.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Message: 2 For the record, Sean Swift predicted some time ago that this was coming. Also for the record, and to be fair, Sean Swift still holds the record for the longest sports columns in Cardinal Points' history. Not sure how many trees he alone is responsible for killing, but I'd guesstimate quite a few! Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism > > Melissa: > > It's a sad day for the people who are losing their jobs and such, I'll > agree with that. But, those on this list might remember that I've been > saying that this was coming for a long time. > > The thing is, there is still a place in this world for strong > investigative journalism. With so much TV news being aimed at the level of > lobotomized chimps, I'm amazed that no one has been able to market "news > for grown-ups" that is truly neutral in scope. > > Of course, the current print vehicles are largely handcuffed because > they're all owned by huge conglomerates who are as incompetent and lacking > in imagination as the leaders of the financial industry (and who often use > their news outlets as a means of distributing their outlook rather than, > you know, report the news). I mean, the internet is RIGHT THERE. > Especially given the environmental concerns of our age, it's ridiculous > that we're still killing forests to distribute news...I mean, what, were > scrolls not available? *smirk* The entities who "win" and who survive are > the ones who finally figure out how to utilize new technologies - Kindles, > etc. > > Instead of mourning the latest newspaper to die out (this won't be the > last, I assure you...there's more coming, and coming quick), the industry > should be getting its best minds together to figure out how best to use > the internet and electronic readers and all the other fancy stuff > available these days. > > - Sean Swift > Class of '00 > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/27/09, journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > wrote: > >> From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu >> >> Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism >> To: "Journalism List" >> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:16 PM >> Everyone should check out the video on the Rocky Mountain >> News' web site that chronicles the paper's last day. >> Very depressing and eerie. The paper found out Thursday that >> today would be its last day. I can't imagine what that >> must feel like. (Though the day might be coming for all of >> us still in the newspaper biz!) Here's a quote from the >> editor: >> >> "...it's like playing music at your own funeral. >> It's an opportunity to >> make really sweet sounds or blow it. I'd like to go out >> really proud." >> >> http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/26/rocky-mountain-news-closes-friday-final-edition/ >> >> -Melissa Hart >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Journalism-alumni mailing list >> Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu >> http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism Message-ID: <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Message: 3 AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a service (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the luckiest C- I ever got. - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with added snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from readers during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game (why would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). Example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would absolutely read it. Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. - Swift ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:13:59 -0500 From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism Message-ID: <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517573d46b970560464046aba MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Message: 4 --001517573d46b970560464046aba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Swift speaks the truth. Per always. I'll also add that when I graduated nine years ago, I always assumed I would eventually wind up at a newspaper. Instead, due to various circumstances, I sort of backed into the Internet business, not even knowing HTML at the time (internet courses weren''t a required part of the English-Print Journalism major when I went to Plattsburgh). At first, I felt like I needed to work at a newspaper to validate that I was, in fact, doing something with my degree. But the longer I stayed at CBSSports.com, the more I noticed the flood of experienced newspaper writers, editors, etc. taking Internet jobs with our company and with our competitors. These were people with years of experience at very prominent broadsheets. Mike Coulter, if you're on this list, you can probably back me up on this. Eight years ago, there were times when I seriously second-guessed myself for not pursuing an entry-level newspaper job harder, and for sticking with the Internet instead. Today, I feel the opposite. I feel like I unwittingly got my foot in the door, ahead of what I expect will be a flood of very qualified former newspaper employees, who will just now be switching career paths. Don't get me wrong. The Internet hasn't been immune to the recession either. But as someone at our office recently put it, people are used to getting their information on the Internet now, and news generally hits the Internet very quickly. Newspapers, due to the turnaround time and the process involved in producing a daily, are essentially printing yesterday's news. And charging you to read it. The more people get used to super-fast news delivery on the Internet, the more ridiculous that business model sounds. Denny Burkholder '00 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, wrote: > > AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened > to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write > about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! > > That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and > there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a > paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a service > (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: > > - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our > financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the luckiest > C- I ever got. > > - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's > restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most > cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. > > - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear > themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is > crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in > England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called > "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with added > snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from readers > during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game (why > would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). > > Example: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live > > Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as > well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 > > If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would > absolutely read it. > > Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't > come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. > > - Swift > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > --001517573d46b970560464046aba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Swift speaks the truth. Per always.

I'll also add that when I gr= aduated nine years ago, I always assumed I would eventually wind up at a ne= wspaper. Instead, due to various circumstances, I sort of backed into the I= nternet business, not even knowing HTML at the time (internet courses weren= ''t a required part of the English-Print Journalism major when I we= nt to Plattsburgh). At first, I felt like I needed to work at a newspaper t= o validate that I was, in fact, doing something with my degree.

But the longer I stayed at CBSSports.com, the more I noticed the flood = of experienced newspaper writers, editors, etc. taking Internet jobs with o= ur company and with our competitors. These were people with years of experi= ence at very prominent broadsheets. Mike Coulter, if you're on this lis= t, you can probably back me up on this.

Eight years ago, there were times when I seriously second-guessed mysel= f for not pursuing an entry-level newspaper job harder, and for sticking wi= th the Internet instead. Today, I feel the opposite. I feel like I unwittin= gly got my foot in the door, ahead of what I expect will be a flood of very= qualified former newspaper employees, who will just now be switching caree= r paths.

Don't get me wrong. The Internet hasn't been immune to the rece= ssion either. But as someone at our office recently put it, people are used= to getting their information on the Internet now, and news generally hits = the Internet very quickly. Newspapers, due to the turnaround time and the p= rocess involved in producing a daily, are essentially printing yesterday= 9;s news. And charging you to read it. The more people get used to super-fa= st news delivery on the Internet, the more ridiculous that business model s= ounds.

Denny Burkholder '00



On S= at, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, <journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu= > wrote:

AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened t= o go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write abou= t sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?!

That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and= there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a= paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by pro= viding a service (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff= like:

- Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our finan= cial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the luckiest C- = I ever got.

- How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's rest= aurants and service providers to alert readers to the most cost-effective o= ptions? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC.

- If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear th= emselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is cruci= al these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in Englan= d has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called "minute= -by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with added = snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from readers d= uring the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game = (why would you want to wait until the end to see the result?).

Example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/foo= tball/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live

Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as w= ell - htt= p://habsinsideout.com/node/16236

If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would = absolutely read it.

Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can&#= 39;t come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard.

- Swift




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Journalism-alumn= i@lists.plattsburgh.edu
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--001517573d46b970560464046aba-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:13:15 -0500 From: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Subject: Re: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism Message-ID: <8549dc340902281813r686c6a63ga31f95df7a21b381@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> References: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu Message: 5 For a wonderful explanation of the fine mess our economy finds itself in, check out http://haha.nu/interesting/the-credit-crisis-visualized/. Monica On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM, wrote: > Swift speaks the truth. Per always. > > I'll also add that when I graduated nine years ago, I always assumed I would > eventually wind up at a newspaper. Instead, due to various circumstances, I > sort of backed into the Internet business, not even knowing HTML at the time > (internet courses weren''t a required part of the English-Print Journalism > major when I went to Plattsburgh). At first, I felt like I needed to work at > a newspaper to validate that I was, in fact, doing something with my degree. > > But the longer I stayed at CBSSports.com, the more I noticed the flood of > experienced newspaper writers, editors, etc. taking Internet jobs with our > company and with our competitors. These were people with years of experience > at very prominent broadsheets. Mike Coulter, if you're on this list, you can > probably back me up on this. > > Eight years ago, there were times when I seriously second-guessed myself for > not pursuing an entry-level newspaper job harder, and for sticking with the > Internet instead. Today, I feel the opposite. I feel like I unwittingly got > my foot in the door, ahead of what I expect will be a flood of very > qualified former newspaper employees, who will just now be switching career > paths. > > Don't get me wrong. The Internet hasn't been immune to the recession either. > But as someone at our office recently put it, people are used to getting > their information on the Internet now, and news generally hits the Internet > very quickly. Newspapers, due to the turnaround time and the process > involved in producing a daily, are essentially printing yesterday's news. > And charging you to read it. The more people get used to super-fast news > delivery on the Internet, the more ridiculous that business model sounds. > > Denny Burkholder '00 > > > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > wrote: >> >> AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened >> to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write >> about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! >> >> That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and >> there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a >> paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a service >> (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: >> >> - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our >> financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the luckiest >> C- I ever got. >> >> - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's >> restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most >> cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. >> >> - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear >> themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is >> crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in >> England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called >> "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with added >> snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from readers >> during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game (why >> would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). >> >> Example: >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live >> >> Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as >> well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 >> >> If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would >> absolutely read it. >> >> Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't >> come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. >> >> - Swift >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Journalism-alumni mailing list >> Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu >> http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > > -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come - Matt Groening ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Journalism-alumni mailing list Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni End of Journalism-alumni Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8 ************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/pipermail/journalism-alumni/attachments/20090228/b107b260/attachment.htm From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 22:35:27 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 21:32:29 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism In-Reply-To: <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> References: <012101c999d8$8a74b5e0$4e7d8e89@plattsburgh.ntds> <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66baef7f0902281713i2cb1cf8v6371a8249dc04470@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3524.68.191.10.12.1235878527.squirrel@webmail.plattsburgh.edu> I recall Denny telling the story of covering a sporting event for his employer where the reporters for the dailies were laughing at him for working for a Web-based media organization. I'm guessing they aren't laughing now. Murphy > Swift speaks the truth. Per always. > > I'll also add that when I graduated nine years ago, I always assumed I > would > eventually wind up at a newspaper. Instead, due to various circumstances, > I > sort of backed into the Internet business, not even knowing HTML at the > time > (internet courses weren''t a required part of the English-Print Journalism > major when I went to Plattsburgh). At first, I felt like I needed to work > at > a newspaper to validate that I was, in fact, doing something with my > degree. > > > But the longer I stayed at CBSSports.com, the more I noticed the flood of > experienced newspaper writers, editors, etc. taking Internet jobs with our > company and with our competitors. These were people with years of > experience > at very prominent broadsheets. Mike Coulter, if you're on this list, you > can > probably back me up on this. > > Eight years ago, there were times when I seriously second-guessed myself > for > not pursuing an entry-level newspaper job harder, and for sticking with > the > Internet instead. Today, I feel the opposite. I feel like I unwittingly > got > my foot in the door, ahead of what I expect will be a flood of very > qualified former newspaper employees, who will just now be switching > career > paths. > > Don't get me wrong. The Internet hasn't been immune to the recession > either. > But as someone at our office recently put it, people are used to getting > their information on the Internet now, and news generally hits the > Internet > very quickly. Newspapers, due to the turnaround time and the process > involved in producing a daily, are essentially printing yesterday's news. > And charging you to read it. The more people get used to super-fast news > delivery on the Internet, the more ridiculous that business model sounds. > > Denny Burkholder '00 > > > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > wrote: > >> >> AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I >> happened >> to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write >> about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! >> >> That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and >> there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up >> a >> paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a >> service >> (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: >> >> - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our >> financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the >> luckiest >> C- I ever got. >> >> - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's >> restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most >> cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. >> >> - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear >> themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is >> crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian >> in >> England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called >> "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with >> added >> snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from >> readers >> during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the game (why >> would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). >> >> Example: >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live >> >> Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games >> as >> well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 >> >> If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would >> absolutely read it. >> >> Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't >> come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. >> >> - Swift >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Journalism-alumni mailing list >> Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu >> http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni >> > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > Shawn W. Murphy Associate Professor of Journalism Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points Chair, Department of Journalism Co-Director, Center for Communication and Journalism 103-A Yokum Hall SUNY Plattsburgh 101 Broad St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-564-2422, phone 518-564-2105, fax shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu From journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu Sat Feb 28 22:44:36 2009 From: journalism-alumni at lists.plattsburgh.edu (journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu) Date: Sat Feb 28 21:32:30 2009 Subject: [jou-alumni] sad day for journalism In-Reply-To: <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <494650.12776.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3612.68.191.10.12.1235879076.squirrel@webmail.plattsburgh.edu> I will share with the CP sports and Web staff on Monday. Your idea is a good one. Perhaps you ARE smarter than you think, Swift. Murphy > > AHAHAHAHA....touche, sir. I do submit to the jury however that I happened > to go 9 semesters where no one in a hundred-mile radius wanted to write > about sports. Who else ever had THAT problem?! > > That said, it's going to have to become more of a service industry, and > there has to be serious marketing efforts (the days of people picking up a > paper because it's "the paper" are over). What I mean by providing a > service (other than reporting the news, which is a given) is stuff like: > > - Why has there never been anything explaining the reasons behind our > financial collapse in language we can understand? Economics was the > luckiest C- I ever got. > > - How about a feature where local beat reporters survey the area's > restaurants and service providers to alert readers to the most > cost-effective options? That would be WONDERFUL here in NYC. > > - If the internet has proven anything, it's that people love to hear > themselves talk/see themselves type. Inviting readers to participate is > crucial these days (Exhibit A: the sports blog Deadspin). The Guardian in > England has a creative and fun feature for big soccer matches called > "minute-by-minute reports". The blogger goes over the highlights (with > added snarky comments), and includes the best e-mails that come in from > readers during the game. It's fun, and invaluable if you can't see the > game (why would you want to wait until the end to see the result?). > > Example: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/24/arsenal-roma-champions-league-live > > Even the normally-austere Montreal Gazette does it for Canadiens games as > well - http://habsinsideout.com/node/16236 > > If someone did that for Cardinal hockey games on CP's website, I would > absolutely read it. > > Given the fact that I am no genius, I'm stunned that the industry can't > come up with ways to get with the times. It's not that hard. > > - Swift > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Journalism-alumni mailing list > Journalism-alumni@lists.plattsburgh.edu > http://lists.plattsburgh.edu/mailman/listinfo/journalism-alumni > Shawn W. Murphy Associate Professor of Journalism Faculty Advisor to Cardinal Points Chair, Department of Journalism Co-Director, Center for Communication and Journalism 103-A Yokum Hall SUNY Plattsburgh 101 Broad St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-564-2422, phone 518-564-2105, fax shawn.murphy@plattsburgh.edu